Most of the time (and by most I mean 99% of the time) discussing politics on an online forum is a waste of time and effort. I still plead guilty however.
Ehhh…it’s a hobby.
But occasionally something worthwhile turns up. I was discussing the future of the West with a Sunni Muslim from the Middle East who has a view of Western decline very similar to a Pat Buchanan style Paleoconservative; the decline of religion and morality in the West will chip away at Western institutions until they crumble. He has his own version of a life boat, Ta Da! Islam will ride in and save the day! I don’t think Islam is as much riding in as boating and walking in. Nor do I view it as saving the day. That’s more like my version of dystopia, as if Charlton Heston looks up from the beach and sees a giant Minaret.
But before Islam establishes its glorious new world order in Europe, he envisioned a “bounce back” and revival of Christianity; however briefly. I was surprised at his theory, because it parallels one that I’ve had for years regarding the future of Europe.
Basically what I’ve envisioned is this:
The demographic and Islamic conversion in Europe will continue, but as the percentages of Muslims grow they will flex their political muscle and slowly remake their societies in an Islamic image. Muslims are about 5% in the UK and about 7% in France, but what happens when they’re 25 and 27 percent? Either one or more of the current political parties will Islamicize or there will be new Islamic political parties that will share power (if you are at all familiar with the plot of Houellebecq’s Submission you basically know how that will work).
Eventually Europeans, and by that I mean the native peoples who are by and large Christian, whether devout or not, will have a WTF moment, and realize that if they don’t do anything to stop the trend, the outcome is becoming a minority in their own countries, with all the joy that being a non Muslim minority in a Muslim majority country brings. That’s when you have civil war. Imagine Yugoslavia, spread out across the continent.
But I can’t imagine that happening until it’s too late to do anything about it. And I don’t think it will necessarily bring a rebirth of Christianity with it, although it could.
Do I think anything could put a stop to this sort of future? I think that moment has passed. Very notable with last week’s Trump proposal to ban Muslims, European politicians criticized Trump on that, something I think is pretty much unprecedented for European politicians to do; criticize an American Presidential candidate who hasn’t even won the nomination yet. The fact that they would do that is more than just signaling how morally upright they are, it’s a political signaling too to their own constituencies. For Europeans, it’s already too late to ban Muslim immigration. They are already too large a part of the European electorate. President Hollande vowed to take in even more Syrian refugees. That will show ISIS!
So long term, eventually you have a Muslim Western Europe, at least as far as political power goes. That doesn’t mean that even the majority in those countries would necessarily be Muslims, but it seems unlikely they could unite in any meaningful way. Those things only seem to become possible and thinkable when it’s already too late.